This is it finally no more unless somehing unusual happens. Otherwise this is the end.

So here’s what happened.

Right after I got back from my work trip to Connecticut and hearing about the threats against Frank I show up at Tae Kwon Do to see what was going on. Frank and I are talking and in walks Dave. He walks up to us, interrupts our conversation about work and tells us that Carrie moved out of her apartment and is divorcing Andy. We look at Dave and say so what it’s none of our business. This is one of the last times I talk to Dave. It turned out later that he told someone that he thought I was mad because he still talked to Kevin.

Stop for a moment and clear stuff up. 1. Carrie and Andy split

2. Carrie moved out

3. Dave doesn’t talk to me anymore

Then one day I hear that Kevin and Carrie were seen together at Kmart shopping for stuff for her apartment. After that not much.

For a while it was quiet, and then I hear through the grape vine that Kevin and Sue are splitting up. He still lives at the house but as part of the separation. My sister in law had this problem before her divorce. Her husband refused to leave because his lawyer said it could be considered abandonment. So until the paperwork is settled Kevin has a place to live.

Stop for a moment and clear stuff up. 4. Kevin and Sue are getting divorced

5. Kevin is not living with Carrie

An update on Michelle – other then one day at t ball for Philip and the day jimmy and Brandon received their black belts I haven’t seen her. I can only hope she suffers horribly, but I know she won’t because she is evil.

Stop for a moment and clear stuff up. 6. Michelle is a bitch. I was gonna say something

else but I’m sure the women folk woulda hurt me.

So for a while Kevin would drop the boys off and Sue would pick them up or on a few occasions Sue dropped them off and stayed. Now unless the usual 2 or 3 people are there he will stand off to the side and mope while listening to his MP3 player. Then this weekend I heard that Carrie dumped him. And this just makes me laugh because this is what I figured would happen. So now that man with a wife and a girlfriend has neither. Remember Kevin we’re not laughing with you, we’re laughing at you.

So to recap

A bunch of parents at a Tae kwon Do school (dojang) get together. Kevin and Carrie; both having marital problems decide to become closer then the other friends. Michelle decides to speed up their union by spreading rumors about them. Then she points the finger at me for starting the rumors. Dave wants Carrie for himself and helps spread the rumors. Kevin stays friends with the people that talked and plotted about him and decides to threaten Frank and me. Kevin loses everything except for the people that treated him like crap. Part of me thinks this was a set up by Carrie and Michelle. Carrie wanted out of her marriage but couldn’t afford to do it. Kevin wanted attention and loved to spend his wife’s money. As soon as she got what she wanted Carrie dumped Kevin. Last December I said to Carrie that there were rumors going around and she should talk to Kevin about what people see happening. She tells me it doesn’t matter what people say as long as she gets what she can from him. Then she said it’s not what you think. Kevin walked in and the 2 of them went for coffee. Well, if I thought she wanted sex from him and that wasn’t it then what did she want from him??? I do know that Michelle was involved the entire time running interference and spreading the rumors. The whole time she lied to people and treated them like crap.

So, Kevin when you finally get to read this here’s some answers.

You asked who started the rumors – Michelle started them last October at the bar. Before anything between you and Carrie started she had the rumor started. You wanted to know who was trying to tell Sue everything well that was Dave. You want to know who told me about Carrie’s car parked in your driveway while the wife and kids were away – look to your left one day and you’ll see. It may have something to do with the way your drunken dad raised you that you prefer friends that stab you in the back.

You blamed me; then you blamed Frank. Maybe you should blame yourself.

On 360 I had a story going about some stuff that happened to and around me.  This is an update posted on both sites.  I haven't moved those storied over to here yet.  Once I do it will all be clear.

I asked awhile back for predictions on the story.  Now I guess I should let ereyone know what’s going on to get this done before yahoo kills 360.  It’s been tough to get things written down about this.  Mostly because I just don’t care anymore.  It was a fun time while it lasted but some things don’t last.  So, I post the predictions I got and then finish up the story.  But first, I was going to do this on Saturday but I was given new information just by chance seeing someone that knew about what was going on with everyone.  The new info makes me feel warm and fuzzy because it confirmed some things I thought would happen.  So here are the predictions and I will start on the update.

Steph…

Well, either Carrie and Kevin are having an affair and it is going to end OR they are planning a party? lol

Okay, with Andy...he knows what is going on and is just waiting...
Michelle....will be around forever
Sue isn't going to do a darn thing...
The others, I have no clue except they are waiting to see how this all turns out.
You....trying to be neutral in the whole thing and making it frustrating for others...which is too bad..they will live.

It's a a shame that it can't be one big happy family!!!!

Mamab…

Ok...what I think is happening is...
They all getting ready to graduate from the 7th grade. lol

trink…

Hi, well i read up, and i think, one, some people have to make others look bad, so they look good(and keep the attention off themselves) @) I am assumming an affair is going on and "TRYING TO BE COVERED UP" 3) Some don't want to open thier mouths to avoid conflict at all cost,and another thing is NO ONE wants to be responsible for their own actions,and what they know, so they avoid any responsiblity for what is right and what is wrong! No Body wants to be the bad guy! ANd i think some of them neeed to grow the Heck up! (exception of you of course, its seems your the only civil, respectfull person there..like you mentitioned, you kept away and that lets you find out who is friend and who is not! I think i would be the one who let the others KILL each other off and go on with your life. Let certain ones know you have ZERO TOLERANCE for gossip, being involved in others affairs(of the heart and other wise) and unless they can all grow up, your moving on to find new and more mature friends! Make it clear you want Nothing to do with the Gossip and lets bash this one or that one, or see whos doin what! Let them know your fed up with chidish games and you have more important things to do with your time and family.

Steph…

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I do like the 7th grade thing..lol

I B F…

7th grade. Ha!

Ъяowη…

Seems to me that many people like to gossip and have fun off other people's buisness! No-one is happier if they think others have got problems! I personally cannot stand anyone who likes to gossip or cause trouble for others! Its petty and immature! If someone has a problem or issue within their life why does it have to be made everyone's buisness? Not just what you have written but I mean other's in general! There is more things to worry about than other people's lives!

Adrie…

How did I miss this blog? Sheesh, I need to pay better attention!

Wow, what a turn of events this whole story has taken. i still don't see the fascination with Kevin. Now I am not assuming that he is having an affair, but it sure looks like it! I don't get how he is able to have Carrie interested in him.

I would predict that Sue will find out and request a divorce, but I'm thinking that New York is like California in that couples have to split everything 50-50 in the case of divorce. She probably does not want to do that with Kevin. I don't want to sound crass, but I vote that Sue goes out and gets her own honey. Hey, there's no reason why she shouldn't be happy.

I asked awhile back for predictions on the story. Now I guess I should let ereyone know what’s going on to get this done before yahoo kills 360. It’s been tough to get things written down about this. Mostly because I just don’t care anymore. It was a fun time while it lasted but some things don’t last. So, I post the predictions I got and then finish up the story. But first, I was going to do this on Saturday but I was given new information just by chance seeing someone that knew about what was going on with everyone. The new info makes me feel warm and fuzzy because it confirmed some things I thought would happen. So here are the predictions and I will start on the update.

Steph…

Well, either Carrie and Kevin are having an affair and it is going to end OR they are planning a party? lol

Okay, with Andy...he knows what is going on and is just waiting...
Michelle....will be around forever
Sue isn't going to do a darn thing...
The others, I have no clue except they are waiting to see how this all turns out.
You....trying to be neutral in the whole thing and making it frustrating for others...which is too bad..they will live.

It's a a shame that it can't be one big happy family!!!!

Mamab…

Ok...what I think is happening is...
They all getting ready to graduate from the 7th grade. lol

trink…

Hi, well i read up, and i think, one, some people have to make others look bad, so they look good(and keep the attention off themselves) @) I am assumming an affair is going on and "TRYING TO BE COVERED UP" 3) Some don't want to open thier mouths to avoid conflict at all cost,and another thing is NO ONE wants to be responsible for their own actions,and what they know, so they avoid any responsiblity for what is right and what is wrong! No Body wants to be the bad guy! ANd i think some of them neeed to grow the Heck up! (exception of you of course, its seems your the only civil, respectfull person there..like you mentitioned, you kept away and that lets you find out who is friend and who is not! I think i would be the one who let the others KILL each other off and go on with your life. Let certain ones know you have ZERO TOLERANCE for gossip, being involved in others affairs(of the heart and other wise) and unless they can all grow up, your moving on to find new and more mature friends! Make it clear you want Nothing to do with the Gossip and lets bash this one or that one, or see whos doin what! Let them know your fed up with chidish games and you have more important things to do with your time and family.

Steph…

Offline

I do like the 7th grade thing..lol

I B F…

7th grade. Ha!

Ъяowη…

Seems to me that many people like to gossip and have fun off other people's buisness! No-one is happier if they think others have got problems! I personally cannot stand anyone who likes to gossip or cause trouble for others! Its petty and immature! If someone has a problem or issue within their life why does it have to be made everyone's buisness? Not just what you have written but I mean other's in general! There is more things to worry about than other people's lives!

Adrie…

How did I miss this blog? Sheesh, I need to pay better attention!

Wow, what a turn of events this whole story has taken. i still don't see the fascination with Kevin. Now I am not assuming that he is having an affair, but it sure looks like it! I don't get how he is able to have Carrie interested in him.

I would predict that Sue will find out and request a divorce, but I'm thinking that New York is like California in that couples have to split everything 50-50 in the case of divorce. She probably does not want to do that with Kevin. I don't want to sound crass, but I vote that Sue goes out and gets her own honey. Hey, there's no reason why she shouldn't be happy.

This is one long email back and forth between me and Michelle.

-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:20 PM
To: Michael Harris
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: meanie

sorry I misunderstood. I will clarify tell Kevin then.

Michael Harris <mfh.ytwok@verizon.net> wrote:

If I said instructors that was a mistake. They are not involved.

-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:56 AM
To: Michael Harris
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: meanie

Yeah thanks

Michael Harris <mfh.ytwok@verizon.net> wrote:

Did you get the map to ECC north

-----Original Message-----
From: michelle rigoli
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:07 AM
To: Michael Harris
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: meanie

OH yeah he is

Michael Harris <mfh.ytwok@verizon.net> wrote:

Aren’t you glad you went? I bet Brandon is happy to have his tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: michelle rigoli
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:26 PM
To: Michael F. Harris
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: meanie

Yeah we will probably go tonight.

"Michael F. Harris" <mfh.ytwok@verizon.net> wrote:

6:50 to 7:40.

It's on the blog.

It the snow isn't too bad we'll be there.


From: michelle rigoli
Date: 2007/02/02 Fri AM 11:47:35 CST
To: "Michael F. Harris"
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: meanie

What time is that class? I don't have a schedule at work.

"Michael F. Harris" wrote:

There's always family class if he doesn't call.

From: michelle rigoli
Date: 2007/02/02 Fri AM 10:56:10 CST
To: "Michael F. Harris"
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: meanie

I am closer to home then I am to TKD

"Michael F. Harris" wrote: You could always stop in on the way home and ask.

From: michelle rigoli
Date: 2007/02/02 Fri AM 10:43:37 CST
To: "Michael F. Harris"
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: meanie

I am waiting for Mr McDowell to call me back, I left a message

"Michael F. Harris" wrote: So when will you find out how Brandon did?

From: michelle rigoli
Date: 2007/02/02 Fri AM 09:56:37 CST
Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: meanie

Good for him

Michael F. Harris" wrote: Yep he's going.

From: michelle rigoli
Date: 2007/02/02 Fri AM 09:18:28 CST
To: "Michael F. Harris"
Subject: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: meanie

Jimmy will be at the 6 hour course on the 10th?

"Michael F. Harris" wrote: Good about half an hour long.

From: michelle rigoli
Date: 2007/02/02 Fri AM 08:28:45 CST
To: "Michael F. Harris"
Subject: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: meanie

He still looks like that but no fever so I sent him to school again. So how did your meeting go??

Michael F. Harris" wrote: He looked flush at testing, I thought it was nerves.

From: michelle rigoli
Date: 2007/02/02 Fri AM 07:57:58 CST
To: Michael Harris
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: meanie

I figured so, but I had to get brandon from school, he has been up two nights with a nasty cough and sore thoart... I am calling him today at 11:30

Michael Harris wrote: You missed the meeting with McDowell.

From: michelle rigoli
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:30 PM
To: Michael F. Harris
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: meanie So Kevin told you to get going then. I can't tell you what to do its your call. If you need to tell Sue something and you feel you have too, then do what you feel. Just so you know I don't want to know, have you noticed I didn't ask.

Michael F. Harris" wrote: What if when you told them to talk to their spouse they told you stop pushing your perfect marriage in their face and to stop acting like Dr. Phill.

It doesn't help when the information is given to you and you can't say no.

From: michelle rigoli
Date: 2007/02/01 Thu PM 02:07:40 CST
To: "Michael F. Harris"
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: meanie

OK so Sue asked you a question and you don't know how to answer her?? Well you have to look at it like you were taking sides. I mean this: Who are your friends? If Kevin was your friend then you shouldn't say anything. If he wasn't then tell her. To answer you: If I had damaging information about any person even before their spouse asks me a question I would tell them that they need to fuse up first. But if it came to the spouse asking me first before I got a chance to talk to that person, I honestly don't know! Like I said before you are the one they hate in the end not each other. This is why I don't like to know any damaging info. I hope this helps

"Michael F. Harris" wrote: No I want to know what would you do in that situation. Hypothetically if you had damaging information about any person and their spouse asked you for that information what would you say?

From: michelle rigoli
Date: 2007/02/01 Thu PM 01:02:28 CST
To: "Michael F. Harris"
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: meanie

Depends on what kind of information I had, and the question. I know you know alot about their problems because you have told me. You do think I talk to Kevin all day, when I actually talk to you more. You do think that Kevin tells me things, but really he doesn't nor do I ask. The things that I think about the group are my own observations, none of its proven to be true by me. I honestly don't ask anyone those questions because like you I don't want to know. I consider my position in the group as to be neutral and have good friends. So anyway Sue is looking for something more?? I think that if someone does know something or whatever she should go to the source. The reason why she is questioning something. Honestly again, I am not the source. I don't know anything. I feel a little left out of things, but if its things that are relationship wise, then I am glad I'm left out. I take it that you do have some information and you want to tell Sue, but you just don't want Kevin to find out it was you! That's why you asked me the question.

Michael F. Harris" wrote: "IF" you had information and Sue looked you in the eve and asked a specific question would you tell her the truth?

From: michelle rigoli
Date: 2007/02/01 Thu AM 10:28:35 CST
To: "Michael F. Harris"
Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: meanie

What is the question?

Michael F. Harris" wrote: There's only one question from the email I need an answer to.

From: michelle rigoli
Date: 2007/02/01 Thu AM 10:14:09 CST
To: "Michael F. Harris"
Subject: Re: Re: RE: meanie

No email. That's fine you have to do what makes you happy. Was the reply from me you are waiting for??

Michael F. Harris" wrote: You should have gotten the email from yahoo saying I left the group. Either way doesn't matter, I can no longer access or comment on the group.

Other then one answer I'm expecting from yesterday's set of emails I'd prefer not to talk about them anymore. I sleep better not being involved.

From: michelle rigoli
Date: 2007/02/01 Thu AM 08:44:48 CST
To: "Michael F. Harris"
Subject: Re: RE: meanie

I wasn't notified at all, was there supposed to be an email telling me?? Well I'm glad you don't have a problem with me. So that's what you have been talking about all this time, the other group is Carrie and Kevin? I get it now... I thought maybe you were talking about me sometimes because you never told me.

Michael F. Harris" wrote: You should have noticed that I left the Yahoo group. I have no problem with you, Dawn and Eve. Not that those 2 were ever in the group. It was the 4 of us and them.

From: michelle rigoli
Date: 2007/02/01 Thu AM 07:39:09 CST
To: Michael Harris
Subject: RE: meanie

OK, Who is in the group?

Michael Harris wrote: Neither am I, but I am not part of the group.

From: michelle rigoli
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:56 PM
To: Michael Harris
Subject: RE: meanie sorry I write fast when I am at work... I mean I am not trying to end our friendship

Michael Harris wrote: So to be clear, you are not being my friend?

From: michelle rigoli

Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:51 PM
To: Michael Harris
Subject: meanie I hope you don't get the wrong impression from my emails, I'm not trying to befriend you.

Well I will be staying out of it from now on. This is all too complicated.

@verizon.net> wrote:

I don't see how he thinks I would say anything to Sue. I haven't even though others have told me too. Seems like I wasted my time trying to be his friend. Sorry you got stuck in the middle.

>From: michelle rigoli
>Date: 2007/02/06 Tue AM 07:50:34 CST
>To: Michael Harris
>Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: meanie

>Just so you know I told him everything word for word what you said, except I didn't tell him about the vendictive statement that Sue made to you. Well I will try to keep him from doing anything stupid. I will stay out to everything from now on. I'm dropping the subject because everytime, the past two times I tried to help it backfired. And Yes I did tell him about the you and Dave conversation, exactly like I heard it and exactly like you said it.
>

-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:05 PM
To:
Subject: Web of lies

Mike, what the hell?? I told you I just wanted the stories to stop, but no you keep putting your foot in your mouth. Listen, you have the next two days to do all the damage control that needs to be done at TKD. Talk with everybody you had conversations with and clear the air. Michelle told me everything that you told her, I mean everything. What you gave me was a bunch of shit!! Now your busted. If you want it all back x10, do nothing, if not you better sing your ass off and fix this mess you made. Michelle told me about you asking if you knew something about me should you tell Sue and how sometimes you eat lunch at Long John Silvers which is in Walgreens parking lot where Sue works. Go ahead and play your game, try to screw me and ruin my life. Remember Jeckal and Hyde, you will meet them.

Sent to Frank on February 5^th by Kevin. He didn’t know I copied Frank on the other emails

In a message dated 2/4/2007 3:37:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, WEL116 writes:

Hey Frank,

So I hear through the grapevine that you have been starting rumors about me. Well It's not only you, but your name was one of the TKD parents that are passing these rumors around.

The reason I'm emailing you is to find out if this is true and why or to find out if you never said anything if you might have an idea who or have heard something? Mike Harris was the parent who said that you were one of the people involved and I just wanted to get your side of the story. Just to let you know, Mr. McDowell is now getting involved into finding out where these rumors are starting and spreading.

Hope you can give some insight into this problem.

Thanks

2/6 – This was between me and Michelle

Just so you know I told him everything word for word what you said, except I didn't tell him about the vendictive statement that Sue made to you. Well I will try to keep him from doing anything stupid. I will stay out to everything from now on. I'm dropping the subject because everytime, the past two times I tried to help it backfired. And Yes I did tell him about the you and Dave conversation, exactly like I heard it and exactly like you said it.

Michael Harris <mfh.ytwok@verizon.net> wrote:

Did you mention the part where Dave told me to say something and I said no? Does he not understand that I have no plans to say anything? Why is he so worried that something may be said? Does he see that the more he mentions it the more people will hear about it? It’s not like we were the quietest people in the school, people ease drop. They see and hear things. You don’t think people see us not 6talking now and wonder what happened? They may not care but watching misery is human nature. This has been going on since November. After Thanksgiving he acted this way and they we were friends, after black belt in December he did the same thing, then you fixed it and we were buddies again. Here we go again. I don’t want to be his friend I just want this crap to end.

I printed out the emails he sent. Something happens and they go to the police. I hope he understands that if something happens he could be kicked out of the school for good. Why can’t he see reason? He is only hurting his kids this way. I have left the group; I have stayed out of his business. I have barely spoken to anyone at TKD since last month. Jimmy asked me a question and I told him to mind his own business about adult things. Why he asked I have no idea it doesn’t matter. But Kevin had to, as always, take it too far. All I ask is that you help him see reason before things get too far. If he were to do anything what would Sue and the kids say, how would he explain to them what is happening? Please help him and his family, I can’t.

You ever get the feeling that someone should say something to you and they don't; then after a while it's too late and you can't go back?

Just wondering because lately things are flaring up among people and it's weird since I have only been to the TKD school 2 or 3 times in the last month and many attitudes have changed. It makes me think the pain in my back is not from working out but knives.

Before I continue, I want to clarify from the last 2 chapters that Lisa wasn’t involved other then me telling her how my day was. It was Michelle that for no reason I know of that decided to start saying Lisa was talking to Sue. But at one time Sue wanted to be Lisa’s friend. At some point that was stopped on her end. I think it was Kevin trying to keep spouses away from everyone. Michelle was the one that would call Lisa and at one time was asking about help for her wedding.

Now on with the show

Another class, a day later. Kevin, Michelle, and Carrie show up. We all say hello to each other. I sit and read. After a few minutes Kevin goes nuts. He starts yelling at me like a fool. Bitching about how evil I am and how terrible a friend I was and how he will come after me and I better watch my back. This went on for 10 minutes with no interference from the staff. I sat there and read my book. Kevin and Carrie went outside. Michelle stayed in to talk to me, I told her that too many people have asked me about him and I am sick of his life interfering with mine. I was sick of people telling me when Carrie’s car is seen at his house. He needed to keep his problems and issues to himself.

After class I got this email.

2/2/07 from Kevin

Great 2 hour show about revenge on 20/20. Everyone should watch!!

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/

Emails between me and Kevin.

Well like I told you before, there is nothing but friendship between us. Please if you want to help, tell these parents when they say something, no there's nothing going on their just friends. Why can't you still up for us. There's not many parents that would even care about our group, the only people that can be saying anything is Mary, Frank and Dave. I will talk to each of them this week and straighten this matter out. They will know that you told me that parents are talking, so if you know for sure that these people are not the ones, let me know who the really talkers are? As for McDowell, I've already had a discussion with him and he already told me that you talked to him. Like I said, i just want the bullshit to stop. It is no bodies business what is going on and the stories will stop!! As for your kid, what is the difference if the two of you show up 1/2hr early or someone else. Put it to him that way. If you can't seem to handle the conversation with him, I'll be glad to answer all his questions, then tell him he's 12 and should be concentrating on class and not what the parents are doing. Oh and I have to know who was the one that said that they've seen are cars parked together during the day somewhere.

-----Original Message-----
From:
To:
Sent: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: Must read.....Rumors TKD

I did not say instructors. That may have been a misunderstanding. No instructors have said anything to me, if fact I only speak to two, McDowell and Quigley. Both are staying out it. Neither has asked what is happening, they have acknowledged that there a problem and hope we work it out.

I said nothing to Sue. She asked me if I had spare room for you. I told her I didn’t want you around. She said I don’t blame you my husband is a very vindictive person. Then she sat down to knit her purse.

I’m not naming anyone. I’m not adding to anything that is said, I will not add to what is said. I sit, read, and stay out of it. That is what I have been trying to do. I left the group because I don’t need the aggravation. If someone wants to talk to me you will not be a topic.

If you want the stories to stop I have no help for you other then not adding to them. Too many people have made comments about you dropping the boys off and leaving. Or you showing up when your kids don’t have class. It’s the same thing that has been said for a while. The same thing I have tried to stay out of. I tried explaining this last week. I bring him there early just like always and he sees the same thing as everyone else. I’m trying to keep him out of it as much as I can. I don’t know what he hears from anywhere else. I’ve left him there several Saturdays in a row and don’t know who he talked too. He didn’t start asking until then. The last thing I want to talk about when I get home is you; I have much better things to do. We have been having this discussion since the end of November; that is how long I’ve been trying to stay out of everything.

Good Luck.

-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:02 PM
To:
Subject: Must read.....Rumors TKD

Hey Mike,

Listen there seems to be some confusion about some rumors at TKD. If you could please email me back and clarify these stories and who is starting them I'd appreciate it. I also hear that you said some instructors are also talking, I need to know which instructors they are. I will be talking to McDowell and someone will be getting fired.

As for you and me, all I'm asking is for you to be honest with me about everything. Including any thing said to Sue. I just want the stories to stop!!

Congratulations Mike and Michelle.

Today is the day Michelle marries the father of her yougest child. Congrats!!!!!

LOL

This is from the next day. This is the body of an email that was passed between Michelle and me. I tried to use a different color font but she used the color I used. I think you should be able to tell who is saying what. My next post will be the same email with some thoughts I want to add. I’ll let you see the email as is except for the email headers..

I anwered below

"Harris, Michael F wrote:

Replies to both emails.

I just wanted to tell you about the statement that was said about the pants thing to Sue yesterday.

I never made a statement to Sue about pants. I continued a group conversation with you. A conversation I would have continued regardless of who was there.

In front of Sue..

Why does it matter if it was her? If nothing is going on why does it matter?

That really wasn't fair to say that there especially in front of her.

How is it unfair? Why are spouses not allowed to hear about the group? What is going on that no one is allowed to know anything? Never mind don’t tell me. I seem to be out of the loop again. But that’s OK; I prefer to not know what’s going on.

Why do you always act like you are out of the loop? Unfair because I don't want to be in your world. You turn around every comment I make into preverted statements. And YOU think there is something going on, not me.

We’ve had many conversations where that has not been the case. It has only been conversation relating to the group where it has been that way.

Who was it that explained what “coffee” meant? In fact for a while I did not know; again, I WAS out of the loop.

Because I get the feeling you are trying to tell her something more, but for some reason you didn't last night.

If I was going to tell her anything I would have done it last winter not last night. Something more? That assumes I told her something which I did not.

So you have something on Kevin! Something more, meant that you seemed to want to lean in and have a private conversation with her, without me hearing.

If I have something on Kevin I have kept it hidden then, haven’t I? I have no plans on telling her anything.

I don't want to be involved in any of that, especially if I am right about what you are trying to tell her...

How would you be involved if I said anything? As far as I know you don’t know what I would tell her. Anytime a conversation turned towards that I made sure I did NOT say anything to you about it. In fact what I would say would not involve the group at all.

Because I would be standing there. I do know what you what to tell her mike! And as for the statement above I hope you stay out of their marriage problems. Please do act like I'm stupid, you are very intelligent, but do not insult me by acting like you have no idea what is going on!

I don’t know what is going on; wait above you said it was I that suspected something not you. So does that mean you have proof of something? I have no proof of anything going on among any members of the group. It sounds like you know things and are keeping them to yourselves. That puts me out of the group and loop.

And if I were you I would rethink things, because you are entering a dark and unknown place, and from experience in this subject the person who tells is the person everyone hates!!!

I absolutely agree, but I have nothing to rethink now. As I said it’s too late for me to say anything.

So I take it you told her? Or maybe you had Lisa do it?

I said nothing. I can’t make Lisa do anything. If she says anything it’s because she wants too. When and how did she get involved in this anyway?

You know what I'm talking about! Remember I like being your and Lisa's friend, but the one thing I will not be involved in is THIS!!!!

In what? It sounds like there is a problem between 2 friends and you think I chose a side. Or should I say a different side? I’m staying out of it; it’s been a long time and I haven’t said anything. I didn’t say anything in December when the group had problems. Why would I now suddenly say something? Sometimes I have lunch at the Long John Silvers on Dick near George Urban, that’s the same parking lot as the Walgreens Sue works at. I didn’t go and say anything those times, why now? Has someone done something to me to make me mad? I’m getting sick of this cloud over my head that at any time I may snap and let out all this information. I don’t know anything!!! I have no proof of anything; I will not accuse anyone without some proof. Anything that I do know has been from you telling me. From now on please do not give me that kind of information. I do not need nor want to have it.

Please stop acting like you are lonely, you are a need of a friend, cut it out! There is no cloud over nothing. Like I said before you are in the world of getting Kevin in trouble and trying to solve their marriage problems by telling Sue how bad he is and the other stuff, like her comment "the girlfriend on the side", do you think I didn't notice how you smerked and put your head down, then you leaned into her and talked with her for a moment while I was looking at Brandon's foot.. You also told her not to say too much in front of me! Some friend you are. I'm not stupid, MIke....

Acting lonely??? No, I’m not lonely.

If Kevin is doing nothing wrong, which as far as I know he is not, then he has nothing to worry about. If he is then he will be the one that gets himself in trouble, without my help. If their marriage is to the point that Sue is phishing for information about girlfriends then she has her own issues. Issues I’m sure she will try to resolve in her own way. Once again I have no plans to go to her and say anything.

If she looked you in the eye and asked a specific question that you know the answer to would you tell her the truth? Take as long as you want to think over your answer, it took me a while.

Are you ignoring my email from earlier???

No I had actual work today. Two system failures in Amherst and then I drove to Hamburg to replace parts. When I walked in they had a short power outage. Then I needed to call a location to check on a system reset while power died again at Hamburg. Then I had to make sure no systems crashed while I’m here. I’m also helping my boss with some month end paper work, tomorrow he goes to meeting for 2 days leaving me in charge. I’m trying to clean up my work so I’ll be free the rest of the week.

I just also wanted to tell you I put two and two together after Dave came to class... He really doesn't like Kevin either, he told you to go ahead a tell Sue "whatever" you are supposed to tell her, and you said you can't... is it because you feel guilty or because I was there??????

I have nothing to feel guilty about. If I were to tell Sue anything a year later it would not be a good thing for anyone. Should I tell Dave not to speak to me as it may corrupt me? Or should I warn him that people are upset with him now that he is “involved”?

You can do whatever you want. I'm not upset with anyone.

Dave has nothing to do with anything, I brought him up because you too seem to be on the same get kevin in trouble page. I won't be on any page that involves that shit! I will stay away from those wars

As have I for the past year.

Why does Dave have nothing to do with anything? He was an original member of the group. He supposedly knows something, but he doesn’t get talked too. If he knows something what is stopping him from saying anything when ever he wants? I have no control over his actions.

Tell me the truth........

When have I lied??? you haven't, sorry you misunderstood that was a question.

The next day Sue brings the boys to class. She sits by me and we talk. She asks if I have room for Kevin to move in with me. I laugh and tell her I wouldn’t want him. I’m told be her that Kevin is a very vindictive person. She asks if anything is going on, I tell her I don’t know anything. Technically not a lie, since I have no evidence of anything. We talk about the banquet, I asked why she didn’t want to go. She said Kevin didn’t invite her, he bought a ticket just for himself.

Crap, I forgot something that happened a week earlier. That totally feed into some things coming up. During the 2 weeks of calm. The yahoo group emails picked up again. During that time was fashion week in Europe. Yahoo posted a story about how spandex pants were in fashion for men. I posted the story on the group. Michelle and Kevin spent a lot of time on the story. It got to the point of a dare. Specifically, Michelle dared me and Kevin to wear tight spandex without underwear to Tae Kwon Do. I laughed. Then I got to class and Kevin showed up in tight spandex. I didn’t check about the underwear. Kevin wondered why I didn’t join in the fun. Seriously, who wants to see two overweight pasty white guys in spandex??? Everyone at TKD got a laugh out of him.

For the rest of the week was a continuation of the underwear thing on the yahoo group. At one point Michelle post a message asking if I’ll whip it out for her at class. I call her a pervert and say how come if I say something I get yelled at so how can she ask that. She gets made at me and we have 4 or 5 emails about how she has a double standard. Finally can Kevin posts and asks about her asking me to whip it out. She then blames him for saying it. I get feed up and drop the conversation. Then we come back to where I started this post.

Michelle shows up and starts talking to me and Sue. We talked about how mean Kevin can be and that I may have met Kevin in 1988. I worked at a supermarket next to the pharmacy where they worked. There was this punk that followed shoplifter out of the drug store into our store and acted like a super tough guy. I think that was Kevin. He hasn’t changed.

Dave shows up, I pull him to the side when he sees Sue. He tries to get me to tell Sue what I think is going on. I specifically tell him I won’t. He doesn’t either. Towards the end of class Michelle goes to get her other kid ready to leave, I tell Sue to be careful what she said around Michelle because she can’t be trusted. I get Sue’s email to explain about Michelle.

Lisa and I both sent emails to Sue that night just saying hello. They were never returned. I don’t know if she ignored them or if Kevin deleted them.

Car trouble

So, one day we go to the car for class and the battery is dead. Someone turned on the overhead light. (it was Jimmy Ahhhhhhhh) AAA got there quick, jumped the battery and we went to the second class of the night. We got there I parked but left the engine running to charge the battery. Jimmy went to class, I stayed in the car. Instead of pulling up to the door and parking in front of the building to talk to the 3 of them I decided I didn’t have anything to say and stayed where I was. On the way out Kevin started talking to Jimmy, Jimmy said he had to go and came out to the car.

I get home and I get an email from Kevin asking why Jimmy wouldn’t stay to talk to him. Jimmy was 12 at the time and just starting to get into how boys and girls are supposed to act towards each other as couples. Well, seeing Kevin and Carrie together while married to others bugged him. We had been talking and he asked me if they were together. It pissed him off that people would treat people they claim to love so badly.

Kevin and I trade emails, basically me saying he had an issue and I’d take care of it. Well that wasn’t good enough for him. He kept asking what the problem was. So I told him Jimmy asked if you doing Carrie. So then he blames me for putting the idea in his head because there’s no way any one can see what he’s up to. Then he says he’s not up to anything. Next he says we’re friends and why am I doing this to him. I try explaining that people see things and talk. He tells me to stop talking to people. I told him to go to hell.

Next episode the trouble starts.

For about 2 weeks everything is normal, well for us anyway. During the 2 weeks Michelle tells me she questioned Beth on what she knew about what was going on with everyone. Of course Beth had stayed out of it and didn’t know anything except what she saw at the banquet. Now why would Michelle question the people that talk to me??? To put it mildly I was pissed at her. Then she decides she wants to visit with the family. Lisa (the wife) was so against it. I convinced her because I wanted to know what she was up to. So for a week at class my group was expecting to hear about a fight at my house between the two of them. That Saturday Michelle and her 2 boys come over. She left her future husband home. They brought their own snacks, that seemed rude, like they thought we would starve our guests. They were over for about 3 hours. I made pizza for lunch. I also did the dishes after. Now remember at one time Michelle bitched that I didn’t do enough around the house. Since making lunch is not out of the ordinary for me I assumed this was no big deal. The boys played foosball, pool, and air hockey.

Brandon was able to piss of Jimmy bragging about how great he was at pool. Too bad the kid couldn’t play.

Michelle said almost nothing. It was the most boring time I ever had. I made her play a game of foosball just to get her off the couch. That Monday at class people were surprised by how it went. She comes over to talk to us. Somehow it got around to me not doing anything around the house. I reminded her that I made her lunch and cleaned up after everyone. Two days go by and she forgets, I think she gets me and her fiancé (also named Mike) mixed up. He plays video games all day.

We are coming to the end of the story. One more big chapter covering the last of January. Then there will be some emails I saved.

January 6th. This is the day of the annual TKD dinner. It’s also the day after my wife’s birthday. There was also a hockey game. That morning I take Jimmy to class, Frank is there with his daughter. Michelle shows up and walk up to Frank and says “I’m gonna sit with you tonight and you can’t stop me”. No idea where that suddenly came from, but she decided she needed to say that. Ahhhh Dinner and a show. Lisa and I get to the place first, Frank and Lynn show up a little after. Lisa and I planned to stay at the hotel that was part of the restaurant as a birthday gift to get away from the kids. (what a hassle to get a kid to each grandmother) The group knew the plans because they wanted me to come alone; I refused. The masters and instructors make rounds and make sure they see everyone.

Beth and Mary (no pictures of them) arrive by 6:30. Just after them Michelle, Carrie, and Kevin arrive; no spouses. Instead of going to the bar for drinks they brought their own beer. They were tailgating at a restaurant!!!!! The hockey game started at 7:05. Dinner started around 7:30. The 3 of them barely spoke to us after first hellos and Michelle saying to Frank “See I told you I’d be sitting with you.” And they decided to try and get a rise out of me with stupid comments about watching TV all night in the hotel room. After awhile of me not responding to the same nonsense they gave up. They had nothing else to contribute to the conversation. Six of us laughed and had a good time while 3 were in their own world. A couple times they went to the car for more beer. Once dinner was over, the 3 of them disappeared. The school puts on a slide show every year at the banquet, after dinner. They were gone before the slide show started. About 10 minutes in Kevin sneaks in and grabs the camera he left on the table and runs out. This was around 8:30, none of them came back. They paid $30 a person and stayed for an hour. This was supposed to be their way of saying how close we all were and how we call all be friends. They sat there for an hour and barely said a word to us. It was a waste to hold the seats for them. The next day after we get home Lisa gets an email from Michelle saying she was sorry she had to leave but she wasn’t feeling good so she went home. That doesn’t explain what happened to Kevin and Carrie. That Monday at class both “groups” were near each other. Carrie turns to me while I’m talking to Dawn and asks loudly “how was the sex?” Those tuned out to be the last words she spoke to me. In a room full of kids who yells out how was the sex? I turned away and finished talking to Dawn.